Transcript with my own commentary.
again in the complete transcript with my own observations
and comments in blue. When Derek talks to his spirit guide ‘Sam’ I’ve
identified this in red.
I’ve become, just a couple of seconds
ago, aware as Sam quietly said to me, a lovely lady wanted
to step forward, I’m aware of her energy here with
me. Um, I feel… that Sam’s also giving me a
few <indistinct> maybe she’s finding it difficult
to converse directly with me."
to the somewhat confusing use of language it’s
difficult to know what is actually taking place at this point. “I’m
aware of her energy here with me” could mean almost
anything. Can he see her? Hear her? Yet he says she is ‘lovely’ and
she wanted to ‘step forward’. Is he
actually describing a scene or just being allegorical? The
fact that it is so unclear is useful should any medium be
asked to explain what is actually happening .
“I will describe her first to you through um, <indistinct> the
warmth that’s coming from her is that I feel this lovely
lady please, I feel it would have been… she would
have been the mother of a lot of children in her physical
is still making things obscure. He offers to describe her,
and goes on to do so, but he says something about “warmth” and
uses phrases like “I feel” which are
somewhat meaningless. If I were describing someone to the
police I wouldn’t say, “I feel…” and
I wouldn’t mention things like ‘warmth’.
Also “A lot of children” How many? Why not ask
her – or Sam?
“When I say a lot I mean more than the average, probably
5, 6 maybe 7, maybe a little bit more because I feel like
this like… great warmth of a woman who’s brought
children to the earth.”
“Children to the earth” very poetic.
She gave birth to children, most mother’s do. I still
fail to see why, having given a precise surname, she cannot
be exact about how many children she had.
smiling at me so she must be agreeing.”
Derek can actually see her.
I also feel with her that she had um, a condition, a health
condition, um that was there for a number of years she
can’t say what it was? Cancer? Heart disease?
a real battler and I don’t feel,
she won’t mind me saying this, and it’s not the
way she’s dressed what I’m seeing her in, but
I just feel this about her as if she didn’t have whereas
material things are concerned such as, you know, a great
deal of wealth or anything like that didn’t matter
to her as long as her kids were fed and you know clothed
that. She’s a real star, a real angel [indistinct – speaking
to Sam, ‘Ok thank you’]. She’s talking
about [‘What?’]. She’s
giving the name, or is talking about Linda, um, but she’s
would infer from this that ‘Linda’ and ‘Mrs
Curtis’ are two different people.
I’ve got a lady here with me, a Mrs Curtis.
She stands about 5 feet 4, 5 feet… She’s looking
at me as if to say, “I’m taller”, but 5
feet 4 to 5 feet 5 and she’s not a heavy set built
lady. I would put, you know describe, describe, small middle
and large and she’s basically going from small to the
suggest that we can assume Derek can actually see the woman
and how she’s dressed. Why then there should
be any problem in communicating clearly is difficult to understand.
She could surely be holding up a sign saying, “My
name is Lynn Curtis and I came from a large family. My husband
was Reg who was the local rag and bone man in Croydon in
feel she suffered a um, it wasn’t a coma
but she went into a, she had, some kind of fit. [‘What’s
she had Sam? Okay’]. And when she was whisked
to hospital she then slipped into this sleep like coma and
I think she was like that for maybe, in our time, days and
then she, and then she just slipped over.”
an adequate description of cause of death. As mentioned
a ‘coma’ is simply unconsciousness. Was she like
this on a life support machine for weeks? Which hospital
was she whisked to?
I feel her family here to the earth would be very aware
of what I’ve just described. Um, with Mrs Curtis
I’ve just got this feeling would or Linda be out here
the connection out here with Linda. [‘Yes
also telling me talking about [who?
Reg? What is Reg to her?] Reg is family okay. So I don’t know
if Reg is out there as well. But there’s a connection
with Linda and Reg.”
Having two names obviously increases the possibility of
finding a match. Strangely we have no first name for Mrs
Curtis and no surname for Linda and Reg.
she… before anyone answers please… <indistinct> Mrs
What? When? Oh.] and something else I’m
being told. This lovely lady although she had a number
of children she lost 2 pregnancies so she would even have
more children had those 2 come to the earth as well. So
there could have possibly been 9 children that would have
been, um bless her, linked to this lady.”
Mrs Curtis was a very busy woman. I doubt that anyone
could disprove that there were two miscarriages.
know if these pregnancies went full term and resulted in
still births or whether she lost them early in pregnancy.
But interestingly we get to the point where salt of the
earth Mrs Curtis had an enormous number of children only
for this fact to be abandoned later in favour of her coming
from a family “with a
number of children”. Derek now tries to locate the
don’t know where we are [where
do I go Sam? Where? To the top?] Okay sorry for pointing. Sam’s telling
me to go up (points to back of audience to his left) okay?
I don’t, I don’t want to do what I did last night,
get meself knackered running up to you okay? And I don’t
want to pounce on you okay? And I don’t want to sweat,
I want to try and stay dry okay. Now please who understands
the description, the lovely name, how she passed and all
the links that I’ve given out? (still pointing back,
left). Up the top there.”
altogether a surprising silence as unless someone actually
knew a deceased Mrs Curtis who had around 7 children and
a Linda or Reg they aren’t going to stick their hand
up. The rest of the information is too fuzzy to be useful.
this point Derek turns to the camera man and says, “Can
you get me a cup of tea mate for us”
Sam says I’ve
given enough. [What do I do?]”
patience is obviously running a bit thin and so Derek gets
down from the stage and runs to the back.
applauds plucky Derek. A
good idea to defuse a potentially tense moment with a little
“Right who in this area please, understands, the lovely
spirit lady Mrs Curtis that’s here with me? If she’s
not a mother or a grandmother to you but you’re aware
of her please, let me explain the sequence of events that
takes place. Invariably once she’s said what she wants
to say, ‘cause she’s not gonna budge, she came
here for a purpose. However it doesn’t mean to say
that would be just her. Maybe close family members to the
person who would receive could be in the queue just after
her. That’s the way things happen back there.”
not sure I can even translate this into English.
appears to respond but doesn’t have the microphone
firstly please are you aware of a lady please? (jokingly)
Why come here..”
the woman assistant holding with microphone by linking
her arm. Derek’s
actions seem to suggest she wouldn’t make it under
her own steam.
in audience (now with microphone): “My father-in-law’s
name is Reg and he came from a big family. He had 7 or 8,
maybe 9 or 10…”
couple of children lost also?”
also please the name Mrs Curtis?”
Woman: “I don’t
know about Mrs Curtis.”
Bugger. Still I think Derek could have salvaged this if
he wanted to but it would have been hard work putting together
a credible link.
D.A.: “Alright but let me say to you please, can I
say of a lady also please if you don’t know, a description.
I know what she, how she passed but are you not aware of
might not be you love okay, okay.
More generally to the immediate audience Derek continues.
“I’m still staying up here because the person
is here. Sam’s telling me, you’re here. Most
important before anything else is the name Mrs Curtis. That’s
before anything else.”
Basically all he wants is a Mrs Curtis,
the only essential requirement being that she is dead.
are you aware of Mrs Curtis?”
else has tentatively responded (no microphone again but
Derek has an exploratory chat). Derek can be heard to say, “Right well she give ‘ Lynn’ didn’t
to audience generally, “We try, we just don’t
give it off to anyone. We stick until we find the person <indistinct>.”
to woman: “Now thank you for speaking to me
D.A.: “And I might be able to go back to that stage
in a minute once we’re, if the energy builds for me.
Can I say to you please as you’ve just mentioned, the
person you’ve mentioned Lynn Curtis but you didn’t
understand the children.”
“…didn’t understand the children”,
could mean anything. The woman may have said before being
handed the microphone that the Mrs Curtis she knew never
had children at all.
Woman: “That’s what confused me.”
D.A.: “Also please would you understand about how
Mrs Curtis passed, did she… as I described earlier
on the stage, or Lynn Curtis to you?”
Woman: “The Mrs Curtis I knew did slip into a
D.A.: “Yes, okay now I know that this, she was giving
me the condition… would you be aware then… it
could be me that’s getting this wrong in the interpretation.
Would Mrs Curtis, to your knowledge, be one of a number of
Woman: “Yes she was.”
Derek returns to the stage.
We have a match - but only just. A Mrs Curtis who was unconscious
before dying. Can anyone really claim this is enough to
be sure we are talking about the same person. I honestly
believe it isn’t. Apparently Mrs Curtis
may well have been childless but had lots of brothers and
sisters. Oh no we don’t just pick anyone you know.
Okay, alright. Okay Sam] And I can tell you Mrs Curtis,
just as I was coming up here, I can hear her going , 'Yes,
can actually hear Mrs Curtis then. This makes the mix up
even more confusing. I still can’t understand
why Sam, or Mrs Curtis, can’t give the name or exact
location of the person she is trying to contact. If she is
now confirming that this is the correct person she must have
known this all along. This is confirmed later when Mrs Curtis
admits she has been snooping on the woman’s family.
continues: “Um Can I say to you please, the reason
why she’s come here is because knowing, okay, might
not be a family member close but she understood that someone’s
connected or knows the family. There’s a likelihood
okay. You say no if that’s not so. But there’s
the likelihood that you would cross the path or see that
family that she comes from?”
I understand this to mean that Mrs Curtis has turned up
realising that she might not get an actual family member
and instead has selected someone who might come into contact
with the Curtis family. This means Derek can’t
really give a personal message to the woman directly as she,
like Derek, is to act as an intermediary. Therefore we now
arrive at the situation where Mrs Curtis is talking to Sam,
Sam is talking to Derek, Derek is talking to an unnamed member
of the audience who will in turn speak to an unidentified
member of the Curtis family. Good grief!
Woman: “In the future maybe.”
sound certain and as we learn later she never meets them.
actually sounds quite comical when you hear it. It's like
Derek just wants to get on now and not go down any more
“Can I say to you please she’s making me aware
she’s showing me healing colours and what that means
is that’s only 1 of 2 things. That around the links
with the family she’s concerned, this lovely spirit
lady, she’s concerned, that someone is not just out
of sorts, not just out of colour, but is hurting and is a
condition that is I feel either been treated or there’s
treatment to come. Now it’s only 1 of 2. It’s
either happening around you, which I doubt, but I feel more,
I want to say that the family she comes from. Now would you
unders…, sorry for going on about this but, there’s
not a health condition linked very close to you… at
counted but there are two things Derek says a lot. One
is, “Can I say to you please” which
is pretty much superfluous and the other is “Okay”.
These can both be quite useful as they turn virtually everything
into a question, although it isn’t always clear what
the question is.
seems at this point Sam and/or Mrs Curtis has stopped speaking
and are instead resorting to showing symbolic, and unspecified, “healing colours”. Irritatingly
they leave Derek to guess what they are on about. Derek routinely
chats to Sam as if he is a normal person standing next to
him and yet when he isn’t sure what direction to take
he resorts to symbols and seems to expect the woman to help
interpret Sam’s actual intent.
Woman: “Yes there is. I suffer from chronic depression.”
hadn’t really counted on this and sounds a
little surprised. The problem is meant to be with the Curtis
family otherwise why would a complete stranger come through
and not one of the woman’s own relatives?
D.A.: “Okay well I’m going to say to you please
she’s a very kindred lady. She hasn’t come basically
over your depression. She come over a more, I feel someone
has got a condition that she feared might not be corrected
a strange choice of phrase, “a kindred
lady”. The language once again becomes even
vaguer with terms like, “I feel… someone… a
condition”. We are now seeing the way a medium
has to fish around for information. If Derek is being told
this information by Sam he doesn’t need to stop and
check his progress every step of the way with the woman.
Why did she respond in the affirmative?
D.A.: “Okay. And Sam’s just told me here please
that she’s also aware that this person’s told,
like the doctor, we can treat but we can’t promise
cure. And that’s not for you okay?
as this information is for a family who isn’t
there Derek can pretty much say what he likes without much
fear of contradiction.
D.A.: “I want you to watch please because I feel she’s
going to, in some manner, okay? Get you, make sure there’s
gonna be a connection for you linked with this family okay?
D.A. “And maybe, I’m being told your role is
to say that she’s been visiting, she has been around
this family member and, what can I say other than she’s
been asking for what healing can be given to the family member.
Woman: “Yes okay.”
poor woman is now burdened with the task of finding the
Curtises and telling them a ‘Mrs Curtis’ spoke
through Acorah at a Croydon theatre and wants them to know
one of them has an incurable illness. The mind boggles to
think how they might react. Of course if they react angrily
Derek won’t get any comeback.
(somewhat suddenly) “Oh I got to say, […link,
is it? Yeah, okay] who is John?”
he has the brass neck to ask this I have no idea. Apart
from the ludicrous scenario of asking a direct question about
an obviously common name he is using a technique so utterly
obvious that it’s almost a caricature.
Woman: “Don’t know anyone off hand.”
D.A.: “Not in spirit, physical John. She’s
mentioned the name John and laughing.”
Woman: “Oh, um, sorry. My brother’s middle
She finally found a John but it’s hardly impressive.
If her brother usually identified himself by his middle name
it would have been obvious but he clearly doesn’t.
However Derek readily accepts this as the correct person.
No further description such as a surname (or even his first
name) is offered.
has simply thrown out a name without giving any context
whatsoever. All he is doing is asking if she knows anyone
called John and you don’t need to be psychic to do
D.A.: “Can I say to you please, just recently, um <indistinct> not
that John’s crazy, forgive me for saying that, but
did he do crazy things, John?”
Now we are blatantly asking questions without giving any
reason for doing so.
can now select a suitable response regardless of what she
says. Supposing she replied that he never does crazy things?
All he needs to say is, “Well I’m being
told he should be. He’s too serious they’re saying.
He needs to lighten up.”
Woman: “Yeah, he’s a likeable rogue.”
she’s been looking in and she’s
going like this, ‘tutting’. Talk about John.
Now I’ve got to find out what she’s looked at,
what’s she seen. [Okay, He’s not in trouble
okay. Will the good lady get to know about this? Is she meant
to get to know about it? We’re not telling tales? Okay
I’ll tell her] John, it appears, why she’s come
in visitation I don’t know. But she’s noticed
John hiding a package. (pauses) And I’ve just asked
what it is and she said ‘money’. Now.”
is somewhat bizarre even by spiritualist standards. We
are now being asked to accept that Mrs Curtis has been
monitoring the movements of this woman’s brother. Mrs
Curtis was therefore obviously aware of the woman’s
family and one wonders why she didn’t mention this
when Derek was trying so hard to find the right person in
the audience. She knew ‘John’ was her brother
but doesn’t actually know her name, otherwise she would
have surely mentioned it.
We also get this rather dodgy situation of her brother
hiding a package of money.
Woman: “That wouldn’t surprise me.”
just told Sam only 3 days ago. Now”
Woman: “That wouldn’t surprise me.”
D.A.: “Now you’re
going to hear news about this okay.”
But fortunately Derek will have long since disappeared
D.A.: “Now he’s
not going to get into trouble with any authorities or anything
like that. Okay?”
Why not? It all sounds highly suspicious.
D.A.: “…John on me back. (audience laughter).
But she’s saying… I feel there’s going
to be a celebration but he’s hidden this package of
money. It’s not been got from any ill deed or anything
like that. But there will be a party. He’ll be throwing
a party, everyone will gather. Will you watch out for this?”
“There’s a celebration coming up soon” is
a standard line for mediums. No hint as to what the celebration
might be or exactly how soon, the dead prefer to be vague.
However it still seems unclear why her brother would hide
a package of money for this purpose. A debit or credit card
would be easier. I do accept that it is within the realms
of possibility – but it’s near the outer limits.
Woman: “Yes. Will do.”
[Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.] She’s
also, while she’s here please [they
said what? Do I do that? Has she asked me to heal her?
Okay thank you]
Derek now comes up to the lady and carries out some form
of spiritual healing and talks to her quietly. Then returns
to the stage.
nonsensical side show with Derek making mystical movements
around the woman’s head. If she is on medication one
wonders if she will stop taking it as a result? Derek knows
nothing about this woman’s condition or why she has
it. I hope she has the sense to see it for what it is – nonsense.
wants it to stop there? Okay] I know you said earlier ‘cause
Sam’s repeating that
to me. You know in the future you will see the links with
her family, it will be a lot sooner than the future. Believe
Sooner than the future?
I do know because it has been pointed out to me that the
person who’s ill, whose treatment cannot
change things. She I believe, in the coming months, before
the year’s through will be receiving and helping that
person on the journey to the higher side of life. To a new
life. So you’ll realise how important it is if you
would be that angel of light and mercy for that family, okay?
of course all she has to do is tell them one of them is
about to die. Even if this were true perhaps the person
in question hasn’t told the family.
from Mrs Curtis’s viewpoint this is no
big deal anyway. Dying isn’t anything to be concerned
about at all so what’s the necessity of sending this
woman off to warn them?
wouldn’t be at all surprised whether she’s
been, as she’s grounded herself coming to the atmosphere
and stayed here ‘specially around the family. That
family members have been receiving, getting a lot of things
happening in their respective homes in the sense of phenomena
okay? Things happening and saying, “What’s causing
this?” and it her concern for this family okay? So
please accept that love okay, and thank you because you’ve
well pleased her, okay.”
you. Ladies and gentlemen, for the lovely lady.”
is taken from the The Guardian article by Charles Nevin ;
A few weeks later, I spoke to the audience member. She
couldn't find the Curtis family, with whom she'd lost touch,
but she did feel better herself. And her brother had been
given a package that week, a birthday present from his grandson.
She said she thought there was something in the healing,
but she wasn't so sure about the rest of it.
she never found the Curtis family to give them the exciting
news that one of them was about to die and ‘John’ wasn’t
hiding a package of cash after all. He did get a present
on his birthday though. Mrs Curtis needn’t have bothered
coming through really. Sam really must do somthing about
these time wasters.
As you may have read in various Commentary postings Most Haunted/Antix Productions used an entirely fictitious history for Barnes Hospital in Cheadle. Also during various episodes Derek Acorah portrays himself as being possessed by various dead spirits. Some of these appear to be people who actually lived.
What right does Acorah have to trample on the memories of people who once lived? None at all, so please consider the following as pay back time….
Although there are no historical records about Sam I have uncovered previously unknown facts using a Ouija board which led to Sam's temporary possession of my body.
It seems Sam was cast out from his village after he repeatedly exposed himself to local women. This was the last straw and followed a reign of terror perpetrated on the rest of his village. Tribal elders had often expressed concern about Sam’s rather unnatural relationship with the tribe’s sheep but this was never proven as none of the sheep dared to bleat out.
He was implicated in the brutal murder a local chief by boiling him alive in oil and then chopping up the remains and serving them to his cat. He also ran the local brothel and developed a range of hallucinogenic drugs from a cactus which he sold to the village children.
All this paled into insignificance compared to his appalling record as a healer and medium. Although he claimed to heal people, for a price, they died anyway. However using his talents as a medium he claimed that after they had “passed over” they got in touch to say how pleased they were with him and that they would like to leave all their worldly belongings (including sheep) to him.
After his expulsion from the village he spent the rest of his life wandering from place to place until he met an unfortunate end involving an unusually angry sheep that had apparently taken an excessive amount of a cactus based narcotic. All that was found was one of his partially eaten sandals.